You also have to include the fact that he has made it clear that he is a ardent supporter of her and is very close to the case. He has stated at least in private to me that he speaks with these attorneys and plantiffs all the time. Individuals who make those type of claims has to be extra careful about how they talk because it can be construed that way.
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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DId I say that I construed it. He just has to be careful how he says it because she could loose a good portion of money if she does tell people what the end result was in financial terms. Watchtower could go back and sue her for a portion of what was paid out.
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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Richard Oliver
John Redwood:
You may want to be careful. You stated:
In Stephanie's case, she would have, in my opinion, won a much larger amount, possibly in the tens of millions.
I am sure you were not told. But it could be construed that there was the possibility that you were told the final settlement amount. That would be a violation of the non-disclosure clause that have been reported as part of the settlement, that would cause sanctions against the plaintiff and their counsel if that clause was violated.
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Bethel Library moving to Warwick, are older items 'vanishing'
by Lostandfound inin a post re dates etc from fatfreek reference was made to huge library at bethel with items dating back to pastor rs day.
like the year 1975 which has vanished from wt theology, are gb using move to let them put all old and inconvenient items into some sort of cold storage and off library shelves.
already the revelation book has gone from the orgs website, and that was quite recent relatively, we studied it 3 times at congregation book study, yet now, like type and antitype it mysteriously was never there.
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Richard Oliver
All three US Branch facilities have a full library with either original or reproductions of every book and magazine produced by Watchtower. So there are always copies somewhere else if someone really wanted to find it.
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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John Redwood:
Is JWSurvey going to post the full unabridged transcripts from this case?
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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Richard Oliver
Does anyone know how to get the transcripts for this case the full transcript without commentary?
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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.
by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .
the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.
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Richard Oliver
In the Conti case it was defined that there was enough evidence that an elder assigned Kendrick to work with Candace. That is where the issue was . If a parent asked someone to pick up there daughter to take her, that is a different story. Every case is unique. That is why elders are instructed to get legal advice on a case by case basis, their instructions is even not to rely on what the legal department informed them before on a different case.
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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.
by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .
the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.
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Richard Oliver
There seems to be some confusion. Secular courts don't have subject matter jurisdiction in purely religious cases, such as membership or discipline of members. As example Anderson v Watchtower shows that df'ing is a matter that secular courts cannot intereve. Or in the Menlo Park case, that removal of elders is a decision that the branch can make only and cannot be reviewed by the courts.
The courts have determined though that secular courts does have subject matter jurisdiction in secular matters. But what the courts have ruled in child sex abuse cases is a few things. First, in many states the breaking of the mandatory reporting statutes is a criminal matter and does not rise a civil cause of action. In PA the statute calls for the violation of the mandatory reporting as a misdemeanor with a possible sentence of up to 1 year in prison and/or up to a 1000 dollar fine. Second, the Conti appeals court ruled that Watchtower and the congregation did not have a duty to warn or to protect. The appeals court ruled that all Watchtower and the congregation did not supervise Kendrick only when it came to the event that he took Candace in service, as service is an official activity of Watchtower and the congregation. Though in another case another California appeals court ruled that only the actual act of field service is the official activity, not the going to or from field service. Third, the first amendment argument that Watchtower argues comes from the fact that watchtower, a recognized religion, views judicial committee and transmission of those committee facts to the branch is confidential. California is one of the few states that doesn't automatically recognize that argument, that doesn't mean that the majority of other states don't. It has caused problems, such as as Georgia has defined the confidentiality so narrowly that only Christian and Jewish spiritual leaders can claim the privilege. Previous on this post I posted westlaw summaries of cases that prove that.
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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.
by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .
the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.
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Richard Oliver
I keep reading here and on other sites where Watchtower just uses technicalities to get out of their responsibilities in court. Court, is all about technicalities, whether it is when a case can be filed, or who the case can be brought against. It even comes down to what was exactly said and how it was said, these are what the law is about, it is about the details. Everyone has the same rights under the law, whether you like them or not, and Watchtower has every right to defend themselves, with any means that are at their disposal.
Also in the Pardon Case, the data that the US Branch has been transmitted to Pardon and his counsel. The personal information of third parties have been redacted, which is what the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals of California, says can occur. The current appeal is, whether the level of redaction is acceptable.
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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.
by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .
the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.
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Data Dog:
You have to realize that it is not what the Watchtower says that is determinate in these issues. Watchtower does say that they don't have a clergy and laity class and that they view themselves as a congregational religion and not a hierarchical religion. But that is not how the law views it. Even in this case the complaint calls watchtower a hierarchical religion, with a top-down system of governance. Court after court has determined that they are a hierarchical system. Also, courts have recognized that they are entitled to clergy-penitent privilege, even when matters are shared during a judicial committee and transmitted to the branch office. Not all states and all courts have found the privilege exists in all cases but there are cases where it does exist.